Plagiarism? Chris Martin on Radiohead

reckoner doesnt sound anything like that song it might have the same feeling but thats as far as it goes

i don’t see it at all.
good song though.

i recommend q-tips for people who think they are the same. Chord patterns and drum notes cannot really be copyrighted. Nor can the way someone strums a guiter or plinks some keys. It’s the context for which they reside and are recorded that is copyrighted and registered. Can the collective group of entertainment lawyers get their heads out of the arses or find another line of work with more credibility. Art is resistance.

Don’t see much of a connection between these songs.

first off… radiohead is innocent on this one. neither song is so entirely unique that there aren’t at least 5 other songs that sound at least as familiar to la ritournelle as reckoner does.

second… what is it called when you plagiarize yourself? i was stunned the first time i heard the speed of sound (or clocks 2 as i call it). i always thought that it was somewhat a code of honor to not release two songs that are essentially identical, unless they retain the same name and are different versions of each other. so if clocks is a van houten rip off, then they got a two for one deal, when they made two songs out of the one. unbelievable

There’s really not much substance to this at all. Surely it would be better not to give shit stirring like this a platform. It creates ‘controversy’ where there is none.

i second carl.

Hmmm…speaking of coincidences…I was listening to Tellier’s “La Ritournelle” (fwiw, the link above is a remix that isn’t nearly as good as the original) just days ahead o the release of “In Rainbows” - I immediately took to “Reckoner” (my first favorite track), but similarities. No sir, not happenin’, don’t hear it (and I’ve been listening to Tellier’s track ever since Superpitcher used it to close his “Today” mix disc on Kompakt - i.e., two years). To put it another way: I often hear tracks that sound like other tracks and can, no pun intended, track down the parallel universe pretty quickly. Here? I’m not hearin’ it.

ridiculous. Ice Ice Baby was plagiarism. This? No.

no.

absolutely awful news story, ade.

They don’t have the same chord progression at all…

Reckoner’s 4th, 4th, then 6th, then 7th
This is 2nd, 2nd, 5th then 6th

what the hell are you talking about?

If Thom and co. wouldn’t be able to come up with new ideas, they would put down all instruments… they wouldn’t steal from someone else.

Ridiculous

Steve is taking the piss, and I think he’s that dreadful filler fan “jonesd”

get the fuck off atease jonesd. regardless if you’re steve or not.

Actually, Reckoner being in E Minor has a chord sequence of the verse like so:
i V/III (deceptive cadence) VI i VI

the other song:

iv V/III (deceptive cadence) i

so there is quite the difference.

ade, you know NME will “scoop” this.

Stupid why would Radiohead ripoff others music ?
Why even doubt that?

Hey, ‘foie-gras style’ (WOW, you sound really ‘hip’ with a name like that): you appear to have great difficulty in accepting ANY criticism of Radiohead without retorting instantly with a pathetic ‘fuck you, get off atease’–style comment. Dude, I have to tell you a few things; 1): what the hell makes you think you have the right to tell ANYONE to get off this website- do you own, run or maintain it? No, didn’t think so. So please- try taking your own advice & shut the hell up. 2): On a PUBLIC forum such as this, people are going to have differing opinions. Guess what? I don’t share the same opinion as you on this matter. Evidently, ‘JonesD’ doesn’t either. Accept this, deal with it, then move on. And again, shut the hell up. 3): Ask yourself just how much ridicule you’d currently be directing against Sebastian Tellier right now if Radiohead had released Reckoner in 2005 and ‘La Ritournelle’ had appeared on October 10th. You’d be laughing your ass off at the guy. Unfortunately for you & all the other idiots who’re terrified of having your little Radiohead bubble burst, he got there first. They ripped him off, accept it. Read it & weep….

Steve is a troll, don’t feed the troll…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

This is an outrage. You could start World War 3 with this kind of shit-stirring. I will not sit here and take this unless you want two fist and one boot up your ass.

(yum, I’m having chicken noodle soup, much love to all)

Thank god the heading changed o_o

jajaja unbelievable people get to
compare this stuff, they are both
different songs, with
similarities, but man…they are
different, thats quite obvious. Anyways
there will always be people that want to minimize the creative capacity of artists, and people
that really appreciates art as it comes, RADIOHEAD already demostrated their creative capacity, weird someone gets to think they now need to steal

Good song…
They are luck to be part of the Radiohead world. But the song is not close enough to it Plagiarism…Give me a break

you know what does sound similar though?
The beegees “staying alive” and Queen’s
“another one bites the dust”

just kidding. i meant “staying alive”
and pink floyd’s “another brick in the wall”

fuck all y’all as posted by greenplastic.com
This “thrashy” new song was first played at the Gorge in George, WA on June 23, 2001. and I have the bootleg to prove it. Radiohead 1 posers nill

Radiohead is the greatest band in the world. The most inventive and creative. Why the hell would they steal from a lame pop song? Ridiculous. Also, the article only suggests that the there were some similarities, not that RH stole or vice versa. Calm down everybody.

I’m not hearing any similarities.

It’a amazing to me how violent people are reacting to this. First off, no one is saying Radiohead intentionally did anything. Secondly, some of the greatest pop/rock writers of all time have accidentally copied things, they may have heard, into their songs. It happens a lot. It happened to Thom we he finished writing “Creep” in 1992. That is why that song now has two additional songwriters listed as official authors. The bottom line is that nobody knows. We haven’t yet seen the credits for the song, that will come on the discbox (I can’t find the new album’s songs listed on any of the online databases for copyrighted works). For all we know, Tellier’s name may already be in the list of credits for the song. Is it likely? No. Is it possible? Yes.

I would like to thank adriaan for having the personal integrity of a real journalist, and bringing up this possible big white elephant in the room.

P.S. - don’t believe everything you read, but don’t ignore everything you read either…you know, just like the NME.

If I weren’t actively listening for similarities, I don’t think it would ever occur to me to compare the two.

what a load of bullshit they sound nothing a like. it was just an excuse to plug shitty belgian music.

if they litteraly took a sample from this song i’m sure the “controversy” (as created by some hipsters) would be lighter. To my ears it seems like ripping a chord progression is quite less alarming than taking a fucking vinyl sample. I don’t see much credits in the liner notes of DJ Shadow’s Endtroducing for example, and i can’t remember something controversial surrounding this album… Too indie probably, so typical.

La Ritournelle (boringggg) where’s the feeling?? not a nice song at all!
he should be happy if he thinks RADIOHEAD copied this song from him. it sounds like something from the 70’s hhihihihihi

Ridiculous,
Reckoner is obviously a (brillant) John Frusciante Rip- Off…

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There are similarites. But it’s only between the drums and the tempo. The strings are there, but the chord progression is too far off. They just descend and ascend the same way.. Personally, I think it’s a HUGE strech. The song actually reminds me of Moby’s “Extreme Ways” more than “Reckoner”.. I don’t know.. It’s a very cool song though.

Um, no? I don’t really hear any similarity
at all. As someone else mentioned, this
song actually reminds me a little bit of
“Extreme Ways” by Moby.

They are obviously two distinctly different songs. People are probably just hating on Radiohead because they are the biggest thing going right now.

OH and besides, Radiohead doesn’t have time to rip shit off from unknowns.

I have to agree with most of the people commenting on this. I even listened to each piece over the other and I do not think the two songs are really that similar. The repeated guitar chords sound a small amount alike, but not really. Radiohead’s Reckoner is much more dynamic and not annoying unlike Sebastian Tellier’s song. To even bring this up as a credible story is an insult to the greatest band today and for the last 15 years. Radiohead have created music and sounds in the past that other bands could not of even fathomed before they did it, to doubt their talent and integrity is a grave mistake.

isnt chris martin dead yet? shame if he isnt

Well, there are some very flimsy similarities…However, I’d venture to say that Reckoner doesn’t sound so…gay. Aah, but people should just get over it - anyone that’s listened to a lot of music or played an instrument in any sort of rudimentary fashion will recognize the chord progression as common place. Again, Radiohead have produced a superior song using a similar chord progression. The other one sounds like it should be used in a car commercial, or as the background music for some new network tv drama.

ive been listening to the two songs since ive heard about this, but i find no similarity. go fix your ears, chris.

you can make the same notes 10 different places on guitar, bass, piano..until people start copyrighting notes, then maybe ill hear about music plagiarism.