Shut up Lily.

Hmmm, well I can see her argument but I have tod disagree. Yes we should be exploring alternative ways to get music out there but she hasn’t realyy stated why she thinks Ed’s comments were wrong. And I think file sharing helps younger and upcoming artists rather than hinder them. Many artists are starting to make it due to the internet (Arctic Monkeys for example) which otherwise would have taken longer to/or not been signed.

Ed has a Ferrari collection???

I started listening to her because I was able to download her album for free. If I couldn’t have done that, I might not have even heard of her! So… um ya.

I think Lily’s argument has some merit. It seems many people disagree – is this maybe because you don’t want to disagree with Ed / you’re keen pirates yourself?

File sharing is good to get up off the ground in the same way busking may be. You’re being heard. The fans feel no real obligation. And you may earn a few bucks. But like me, I started out as a pirate, and will happily pay money for bands that I like. Having said that, I pay for all of my music now since the advent of nasty-pasty iTunes.

DON’T FUCK WITH ED

I’d also like to add: Anybody who has to drag other people through the mud to make a point…probably doesn’t have a point.

So now you have to have a day job and give your music away to be an “artist”?

The people that are against file sharing are people that just don’t get it. As long as there is an internet, there will be file sharing. The idea is to adapt. CD’s were never an artists big money maker, but now they are virtually worthless. New marketing ideas and live shows are key to the new music market. Trent Reznor has a very informative statement on his website basically giving a blueprint to new artists trying to make it in the music industry of today. Lily Allen should read it. Here’s a link Lily…

http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?30,767183

Hmm, apparently Ed has one of the biggest Ferrari collections in the world? …Don’t be bitter because your music is shite and no one wants to bother buying it, ya stupid cunt. STFU.

File sharing helps all bands and is rejuvenating the music industry. AND it helps smaller, unknown artists MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE. I download music without paying for it every day just to check out artists whom I’m interested in. In most cases if I enjoy them I wind up becoming a dedicated fan and buying t-shirts, vinyl, and going to many shows. For example – I illegally downloaded Radiohead’s entire catalogue and fell in love with them. A year later, I went out and spent $20 bucks a pop so I could have every Radiohead album on vinyl. That’s $140 dollars. I’ve also bought a few t-shirts and if Radiohead ever plays Colorado again I would easily pay hundreds of dollars for a good ticket. Same goes with smaller bands. Fear Before the March of Flames is a very small band from Colorado. Originally, I had illegally downloaded all of their music online to hear them. Now, 3 years later I own 5 CDs, 2 Vinyl LPs, More t-shirts than I can count and I’ve seen them 7 times. But that never would have happened had I not stole their music first. Illegal file sharing can help bands immensely if they’re making GOOD MUSIC. Shite artists like Lily Allen however, lose sales from illegal downloading because people hear a single, like it, download the album and realise the rest of it is fucking bullshit and wind up not buying it. That’s the way it goes.

And Ed O’Brien does not own a Ferrari. lol.

Because the record companies were helping soooo many new artists. Right.

Lily Allen….Ed does not have a Ferrari collection….

I think the Ferrari comment was aimed at Nick Mason.

I support the new acts I like by going to their shows. And fucking trust me. I’m paying $20 to go see the Pains and Cymbals Eat Guitars this month. I will likely buy a poster while I’m there. And that’s a fuckload more $$$ coming their way than if I bought their CD. Fuck the suits in the music industry. And fuck you and your shitty music Lily Allen. Why don’t you piss off and Smile about why your albums aren’t selling.

Oh and if Ed has a Ferrari collection, add that to the long list of why he’s the fucking man (right below loving anal and above getting paid to clap for half of In Rainbows).

Phew. All right, I’m better now.

Lilly Allen totally missed the point. Ed O’Brien isn’t saying that downloading is OK. He is saying that cutting off Internet access to downloaders is an extreme and heavy-handed move by the government.

Lilly Allen needs to put some clothes on.

how come no one commented about her referring only to BRITISH MUSIC?? Does she not care about acts other than British ones?

I thought her music is like Britney Spears’… would never pay for it, but if I heard it, it wouldn’t bother me (well, thats not entirely true…). Catchy and easy to listen to, but nothing else much.

She completely misinterpreted what Ed was trying to say. She needs to go back to school or something.

I do feel guilty about pirating sometimes, since people need to get paid for what they do. Not only the artists, but sound engineers, producers, etc. But like the others said before, I would have never been into so many acts that I pay loads of money to see live. If you go to a festival, chances are you are going to see one headliner act and you pay over $80 to see them, and some other filler acts, who are hit or miss.

fuck Lily Allen!

Maybe it’s because Pink Floyd and Radiohead aren’t shit, Lily Allen. Girl with rich daddy complains she needs more money. classy.

Lily Allen, file sharing does not damage music: shitty artists like you do.

who is lily allen?

who is lily allen?

A twat.

How does anybody here actually know what cars Ed owns? You don’t want to think of your beloved mega-indie rock guitarist as a sports car enthusiast because you think there is a stigma attached to it but he’s just a dude. He can like any number of things in his private life that you’ll never know about. Like scat porn. Or knitting. He totally loves those.

What a mug Allen is. She only got famous and given a chance because of her dad, not because of A&R or file-sharing. New bands these days need to realise they won’t make any money out of being in a band unless it kicks off. You need to pay for practice, recording, badges, t-shirts, going to gigs (which you usually play for free) and that is the way it is. You’re doing it because you want to.

Making people pay money for something they’re going out on a limb for (I still have a problem with charging for unsigned gigs) just pushes people away. Make your money the way you want, and let the people hear it for free. If they don’t like it, no bother. If they do, then take it from there.

I got Bentleys, bitch.

I swear half the articles in the Atease news section are about what Lily Allen has said in reply to something RH has done/said. She’s just trying to get some cheap publicity by name-dropping some big bands. Dirty slut.

Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if the “back end” of RH’s career is twice as long as Miss Allen’s entire career

We’re with Radiohead on this one, piracy/file sharing whatever you want to call it, is here to stay. We’re a brand new act and don’t see it as a problem but to us making music isn’t about making money, we can’t help it and we love it, if other people enjoy listening to what we release that is a tremendous reward in itself and if they love it, we hope they will buy tickets and merchandise so for us the music has become the tool to advertise a brand, rather than a direct revenue stream.

Rhapsody To Go, legal and easier than file sharing. The governments should just give $200 subsidies to music lovers to subscribe to Rhapsody or Napster for a year, problem of the illegality solved. Problem with record and publishing companies barely paying artist anything they earn, still there.

Lily, Lily you idiot. Is that really what Ed was basically saying? But really?

Tell that to arctic monkeys.

Ryan, the only reason you’re upset is because nobody wants to buy or download your shitty bands music. Artists should be grateful that people download their tracks, legal or illegal.

If you are at the point in your life where enough people are downloading your shit illegally to diminish sales, you should be touring and making your money that way. If you arn’t then that is a real slap in the face to up and coming musicians. Artists shouldn’t make art to sell it, making music shouldn’t be synonomis with working a job.

the hell is wrong with that chic!!

Don’t we all wish Lilly Allen would stop promoting herself through any means and topic possible… Check tomorrows Sun, they’ll be another article about her falling out a nightclub I’m sure….

haaha

Lily, ya stupid twat. Is that even what Ed said?

and if anything, illegal filesharing is HELPING OUT the smaller bands. Good record stores are harder to find so the place to turn to to share a less-famous band’s music would be the internet. Even amazing young talents are being discovered and signed through the internet.

Personally, I only download what’s not available for me to purchase physically or some single songs that I wouldn’t bother to buy an entire album for. Everything else, I end up buying the album anyhow.

The commodification of music is alienating the artist away from their ideas and pushing the listener away from the artist. Sell the record packaging – fine. But will you slip your mother a dollar every time she says I love you?

Downloading can actually help new bands if they’re really any good. Case in point being The Arctic Monkeys which was all about myspace and word of mouth. The downloads didn’t hinder there success, it helped raise awareness of the music. Whether that music is any good is another argument. A similar example being Fleet Foxes… Also we’d never hear about half the bands we hear about if not for downloads. I ‘d never get into the likes of Animal Collective or Grizzly Bear or any multitude of stuff but not for easy access. As Ed correctly asserts, this acts as a sampler for me. I bought those albums after hearing them. I rarely buy anything going in cold. Others may do live shows or buy up merchandise (which I don’t). I believe Ed is more on point than Lily here though she does make some valid statements. I just don’t feel downloads hinder (good) new artists at all…and it’s down to major record labels to do the work in signing them anyway (A&R). If I can’t find the records, I’m going to download them.

Tom, that’s what the internet is for. Bashing people for saying anything. Learn to love it.

I think these new artists either have it easier now or want to have it easier. If you summed up Lilly Allen’s entire talent in the course of a lifetime, it may add up to be half of the talent of a live Radiohead song.

In other words, no one wants to pay for your shit Lilly.

Does anybody find it strange that both Ryan and Huseph (Sept. 15, 2009) BOTH said the exact same thing? Like it was a cut and paste?
O_o Are they two different people or the same?

Lily has such a poor grasp of consumerism and the music biz that it’s not even worth tearing her poorly constructed argument to shreds.

Fuck though, how did she know about Ed’s Ferrari collection?

I’ve read the article with Ed’s comments a few times now, but I still can’t find the part where he said that “music piracy is fine”. I’ve read the part where he says that trying to get rid of it won’t work and that its changing the way that you have to think about selling music.

Maybe I need to go and write some generic pop and grow a massively inflated ego and then come back and read it, I’m sure I’ll be able to find it then.

Anything for some press, eh Lily?

Dear, dear. Ignoring the obvious holes in the “cut off people’s internet access” policy is one thing; blaming Radiohead for being thoughtless rich gits, when she’s not exactly a penniless up-and-comer any more, is quite another. She’s tiresome.

Did everybody see her ages ago on 8/10 Cats, when she tried whingeing about the In Rainbows download setting a bad example? And Jimmy Carr said it was their most profitable album. That shut her up.

Nick Mason does have a collection of Ferraris

Lilly Allen only complains about this because her type of music needs the fucking industry behind her. Or else, how would her shitty music hit mainstream? It has to be thrown on you constantly to really “stick”.

Btw, Ed’s got a real nice Mercedes.

She’s missing the whole point… this is almost as stupid as that old “Home Taping is Killing Music” campaign. People who download music are also those who’ll go to the nearest record shop and buy new CDs. And yes, she’s siding with the record bosses. Sorry, Lily, but you’re incredibly wrong. As someone else just wrote: Shut up, Lily.

No tiene sentido…

if we are going to be punish for file sharing.. then everybody is going to be….
i don’t agree with Lily Allen

I think musicians make their biggest profit out of live perfomances. If a musician wants to be rich they better have a perfect show, then the cds, the contracts and the money from internet will come. I think lilly should start giving better live shows and let those who have xpress their opinions

Hmmm, picking two huge artist names and insulting their opinions publicly. Especially when you’re an emerging artist yourself (never heard of you until now).

Gee, this wouldn’t happen to be a publicity stunt would it Lily?

Who is Lilly Allan?

i don t think the people i would really like to read this would read it but still tough i will write again on the CRAZY WEB we live at.

i completely agree with Ed O Brien – he was very open minded in his opinion.

I ONLY HAVE TO SAY THAT WE CANNOT CHANGE PEOPLE – AND PEOPLE ARE KIND OF LOST – PEOPLE DOWNLOAD ILLEGALY BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE NO LONGER COMPROMISE WITH THINGS THEY LOVE IN LIFE —- IF PEOPLE REALLY LOVE THE MUSIC OF Lilly Allen THEY SHOULD BUY HER MUSIC – BUT THEY DO NOT – THAT S WHY THEY RE JUST HAPPY DOWNLOADING – BUT YOU CANNOT PERSECUTE PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THAT – THE REAL REASON TO DO THIS IS THAT BANDS ARE LOOSING MONEY AND CORPORATIONS WHO RUN MUSICIANS AS WELL – BUT – AND HERE S MY POINT – I DO BUY MUSIC [ JUST CHECK ME ON AMAZON ] BUT BECAUSE I LIKE TO COMPROMISE MYSELF WITH THE MUSIC I LISTEN TO – YOU CANNOT FORCE PEOPLE TO FEEL THAT –

SO . . . YOU CANNOT CHANGE THE WORLD JUST PERSECUTING PEOPLE DOING WRONG THINGS – IF YOU WANT TO PERSECUTE YOU CAN GO TO EVERY SINGLE WEB PAGE THAT OFFERS FREE MUSIC [ I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON THAT ] BUT NO THE PEOPLE NEXT DOOR TO YOUR APARTMENT –

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PEOPLE ARE LOST AND HAVE NO COMPROMISE WITH ARTS THEY LOVE – THEY JUST LIKE TO CONSUME AND CONSUME AND HAVE MORE AND MORE SONGS ON THEIR ITUNES TO SHOW OFF –

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I INSIST THE PEOPLE AGAINST THESE FREE OR ILEGAL DOWNLOADS ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE MAD BECAUSE THEY DON T MAKE MONEY OR THE MONEY THEY WOULD LOVE TO MAKE – BUT THAT IS NOT RIGHT – LETS START TO MAKE PEOPLE THINK ABOUT DIFFERENT WAYS IN THIS LIFE BUT NOT SENDING THEM TO JAIL BECAUSE THEY RE EMPTY PEOPLE – I INSIST IF THEY REALLY LIKE THE MUSIC THEY WOULD FEEL LIKE BUYING IT -

If your a new/undiscovered artist, i HIGHLY doubt your music will be available online. geeze i hate lily allen, not necessarily all from this though.

Nothing has changed in the music industry in the past few decades from a consumer point of view. Back in the day, it was the radio which gave people a glimpse of what there was to purchase.

The only difference between then and now is that the “industry” has spawned (literally) tons of HORRIBLE poor excuses for studio musicians, bands. And we are supposed to accept that they are ‘artists’… They’re not.

They’re simply money makers for the video and audio execs. Since the inception of video TV, music has gotten worse and worse, thinner and thinner, while image has become more important than any of the music.

People like Lilly Allen are a penny a dozen with their cheap parlor trick songs and shoddy videos. People like her raise a poor point with file sharing, in that it’s a crutch.

News for you Lilly Allen and RYAN: (who has been posting his comments here as a musician..I’m one too bub. True.) As many others have said here…..

If there is merit in your music, no amount of file sharing is going to prevent anyone from purchasing your music or going to your shows.

If your music is worthless (ie: one catchy top 20 song but the rest are droning drivel with accompanying videos with naked chicks to catch attention) then you’ve been exposed.

Back to my first paragraph: Nothing has changed. If your music is good, people will support you. If it’s not… then ride that one hit to the bank and don’t look back.

Doug

If your music was good enough it would
sell if you put it out yourself, you don’t
need a record company! Death to the majors!

josepfine i believe it right here.

Ed prefers to drive his rocket-car anyway.

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